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Last Updated: Mar 25th, 2008 - 16:31:17
MINUTES
February 7, 2006
Planning Board Meeting
The February 7, 2006; meeting of the Haddonfield Planning Board was called to order by the Vice Chairman, Mr. Brett Harrison at 7:31 p.m. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by way of the official newspaper of the municipality. It is being held in accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act and notice is also posted in the Municipal Building and the Haddonfield Public Library.
ROLL CALL: Mr. Harrison, Mr. Borden, Mr. Rauschenberger, Ms. Kitchen, Ms. Marini, Mr. Liebermann, Ms. Martin, Mr. Bucci
Ms. Rizzuto (Alt. 1) - Present
Mr. Sobel (Alt.2) – Present
Mr. Johnson - Absent
Mr. Alberto, Borough Planner – Absent
Mr. Walko, Community Development Officer - Present
Mr. Lundgren, Planning Board Solicitor – Present
Mr. Chelotti, Borough Engineer – Present
Mr. Moon, HPC Representative - Present
MINUTES: None
PUBLIC COMMENTS: None
BUSINESS SIGNS APPEALS & DEVIATIONS: None
HISTORIC PRESEVATION COMMISION APPLICATIONS:
Mr. Harrison remarked that application # 05-09 had been tabled. Mr. Lundgren commented about Tuttle application not listed on the agenda.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPLICATIONS:
HPC # 05-32 Johanna Reed, 312 Kings Highway East. Ms. Reed appeared. HPC report summarized. Application is to remove existing garage and install a new one story garage on existing footprint. HPC recommend the application be approved as submitted. Mr. Harrison questioned Ms. Reed in regards to the plans. Ms. Reed commented about HPC report and stated there are no existing shutters and not listed on the plan. Mr. Harrison responded. Mr. Rauschenberger made a motion to approve application. Mr. Borden seconded the motion. Vote unanimously. APPROVED.
HPC # 05-34 Park Lane Associates, LLC – Tabled
HPC # 05-36 Charles D. & Marian Grimley, 18 Kings Highway West. Applicant not present. Ms. Kitchen made a motion to approve application with the condition as recommended on the HPC report. Mr. Rauschenberger seconded the motion. VOTE unanimously. APPROVED.
HPC # 06-01 Robert P. & Diana W. Cunningham, 117 West Park Avenue. Mr. Harrison commented on the property. Mr. Cunningham appeared. HPC report summarized. Application is to remove an existing wire fence and replace with a 4 foot high fence along the side and a 6 foot high along the rear of the yard. HPC was concerned with the appearance of the wood fence with the existing ornamental fence along the front of the property. The recommendation was to plant vegetation along the 4 foot fence. Applicant is in acceptance. Ms. Kitchen made a motion to approve as submitted. Ms. Marini seconded the motion. Vote Unanimously – APPROVED.
APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT:
OLD BUSINESS: None
APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT: Continued
NEW BUSINESS:
PB #06-01 Conditional Use Approval, Cold Stone Creamery, 210 Kings Highway East. John Kelley, Esq, appeared for the LLC. The application is to allow 6 tables be used. Mr. Kelley stated there will be no cooking. The request for tables is to allow patrons to sit and eat the ice cream purchased in the establishment. Mr. Martin Sheehan, one of the members of the LLC, was also present. Mr. Lundgren explains the ordinance. Mr. Kelley stated types of ice cream style tables and chairs had been submitted to the board. Board comments. Mr. Rauschenberger questioned if there are plans to have outside table and chairs in the summer. Mr. Sheehan replied not at this time. Mr. Rauschenberger made a motion to approve as submitted. Mr. Marini seconded the motion. VOTE unanimously. APPROVED.
CONCEPTIONAL SITE PLAN
Borough of Haddonfield, Little League Field, Potter Street. Mr. Schwab appeared and remarked that the Borough is in approval of this application as a donation to the borough. Mr. Lundgren remarked about this application just being in the conceptional stage. Mr. Lieberman questioned the comment the borough approves the application. Mr. Schwab replied. Terry Crowley appeared. Mr. Crowley presented to the board a vision slide presentation. Mr. Crowley spoke of the limited space for growing participation of the fields and safety both on and off the fields. Jim Johnson, Chairman of the Lighting Committee, spoke about the leagues interactions with the neighbors. The leagues sent out over a 100 letters to the surrounding field residents. Mr. Johnson stated that there were only four households that opposed the proposed lighting on the field, three were concerned with how the lighting was going to be used and the other opposed under any circumstances. The plan is to the light the two main fields.
Mr. Johnson stated that the National Organization of League Little specified the lighting standard that the league must use on the field. The league has selected Musco Field Lighting Company which was used by both the soccer and football club. The league requested from Musco a lighting plan that would have minimized impact to the surrounding residents. The plan consists of six lighting standards on field 1 and four lighting standards on field 2. Mr. Johnson commented that the cost of the lighting to have the minimized impact is $30,000 which is considerably more than the bidders but the league is willing to do that. Bob Zoeller, Musco Field Lighting Co, gave an overview of the lighting system and the technology. Mr. Zoeller talked about the Musco’s reflector on the lighting fixtures to keep the lights on the field and darkness in the neighborhoods. Mr. Johnson remarked about the concerns of the neighbors. He stated that the concerns expressed where: noise, parking, and traffic. Mr. Johnson stated that the games will be staggered helping with both the parking and traffic. The lights will be controlled by a remote control timing system and only league representative will have the controls coaches will not. Mr. Crowley remarks about the application, the responsibilities of the league and the responsibilities of the borough. Mr. Harrison summarized the site plan committee report. Mr. Lundgren commented on the conceptional application. Mr. Schwab remarked the league wanted to make sure that it was going to worth while to file a formal site plan application. Board discussion on process and required approvals. Mr. Schwab advised the board that formal notice was not required for conceptional site plan but the neighborhood was notices both by a letter where the labels where provided by the borough and a public meeting held at borough hall on February 4th by the Little League. Mr. Lieberman questioned the lighting spillage and glare. Mr. Zoeller responded. Mr. Johnson commented about why the league selected Musco was because of the performance/response at Crows Woods. Ms. Marini questioned Mr. Zoeller about the time frame for the project.
Mr. Zoeller stated the time frame is 4-6 weeks for delivery and another 1-2 weeks for installation. Ms. Marini questioned the 9:30 PM lights off. Mr. Johnson responded that there would be an additional 15 minutes of minimum lighting to allow for the exiting of the field. Mr. Rauschenberger commented on the staggering times. Mr. Johnson and Mr. Crowley commented about league and application. Mr. Zoeller explained the lighting wireless controls and the ability to schedule the lighting on the internet. Mr. Zoeller gave the example that on a rainy game day someone can go in the internet and schedule the lights not to go on at all. Mr. Lundgren questions the 9:30 end time. Mr. Crowley responded about the current end times.
PUBLIC PORTION:
Larry Mazzu, 315 Prospect Road, commented that his house is the last house on the left facing the first field. Mr. Mazzu’s concern is the length of time the lights will be on. He questioned when the traffic and noise will end. Mr. Mazzu stated it seems that there will be more games with the lighting at a later time and the proposed application indicated games Monday through Friday.
Susan & John Parks, 141 Potter Street, are the neighbors to the big field. Mrs. Parks remarks about the lighting and her daughter’s bedroom faces the field. Mrs. Parks was also concerned with the traffic on Potter Street. Mr. Parks remarked about the start and stop times of the little league games. He was also concerned with the lights his daughter goes to bed at 8:30 PM and commented that both the lights and noise will keep her awake.
Debbie Hamilton, 139 Prospect Road, she is located at the corner of Prospect and Springfield Terrace. Ms. Hamilton had concerns about the traffic by her house. She commented about Prospect Road being used as a cut-through road. Ms. Hamilton also has concerns about the length of time the lighting will be on and the longer number of hours a day.
Mr. Bucci questioned Ms. Hamilton, “What would be an acceptable time for the light to be turned off”? Ms. Hamilton replied anything less than 9:30 pm, compromise 9:00 pm, however, 8:30 pm would be the best. Ms. Hamilton continued comments on the traffic. Mr. Borden responded.
Mr. Lieberman questioned what the PA system is used for. Mr. Crowley responded to announce game on the first field. Mr. Johnson commented about the whole component including the PA system and trash. Ms. Kitchen questions the role of the board this evening. Board discussion.
Debra Robertson, 228 Washington, remarked about her interpretation of the application. She commented about the application and the process of moving forward.
Glen Williams, 1023 Washington Avenue, spoke of the field and playing on the fields as a child. Mr. Williams spoke of the commitment of the children.
Brett Minor, 220 Prospect Road, spoke about growing up in this town and played baseball. Mr. Minor’s concern is with the traffic and how is the parking issue going to be addressed. Street lights on corners only and nothing in between on his block. Mr. Minor personally would like to see this plan pass but wants parking addressed.
Gene Spinelli, 244 Merion Avenue, remarked about moving to Haddonfield in 1991. Mr. Spinelli spoke about the league as an empire and being a member of the board since 1994. He commented that this application will significantly enhance the league.
Jens & Leslie Fog, 125 Potter Street, remarked about living in their house on Potter since 1983. She stated that two of her children have successfully gone through little league program without the benefits of lights.
Mrs. Fog spoke about the height of the proposed lights. She further spoke about the other fields in Haddonfield. She opposes the application and she does not think that not being able to play ball until 9:30 at night will not seriously impact them. Mrs. Fog remarked that great memories are made every day without little league. Mr. Fog opposes the lights on the upper field. He spoke about the increase usage of the fields and the duration of noise. Mr. Fog talked about the rights of the property ownership.
Mr. Harrison made an announcement the time being 9:22 PM and Public Comment will be heard until 9:30 PM.
Taylor Ng, 223 Hickory Lane, a 10 year old girl who plays little league baseball spoke about wanting the installation of lights.
Kirk Peterson, 214 Lakeview Avenue, spoke about the Traffic and Pedestrian Safety Committee, and the Environmental Commission Open Space report. Mr. Peterson asked if Crows Woods could be used for baseball. Mr. Crowley commented that little league participates in Recreation Council and remarks the fields at the end of Potter Street are their home. Mr. Borden questioned how many games will actually run past 9:00 PM. Mr. Crowley responded.
John Parks, 141 Potter Street, questioned the league if there is going to be more games. Mr. Crowley replied same number of days. Mr. Park further comments about the lighting and the facing of the lights towards children’s bedrooms.
Alex Winch, 238 Jefferson Avenue, little league player, remarked that he never had a game end past 9:10 PM.
Matt Binder, 10 Treaty Elms Lane, 11 year old player, remarked about the game. Mr. Crowley commented that the games would start a little later and end later.
Mr. Rauschenberger commended all that speakers about their ability to disagree without being disagreeable and remarked it was in the traditional of the Haddonfield spirit.
PUBLIC PORTION CLOSED:
Mr. Bucci in favor for numerous reasons. He suggested to the little league to have more specifics in their formal application for the cut off times of the lights and justifications.
Mr. Rauschenberger commented about the balance. He commented that there have been talks about lights for awhile on this field. Mr. Rauschenberger further commented that he would be voting in favor.
Ms. Kitchen spoke about the origins of Haddonfield as a Quaker town which builds on consensus. Ms. Kitchen defined consensus.
Mr. Bucci commented about the need for additional signs or street lights.
Mr. Borden commented about the daily battle of parking and traffic issues. He will raise the issue at the next TAP committee meeting. Mr. Borden stated that he would also be voting in favor of this application. Mr. Borden questioned the next step in the process. Mr. Lundgren commented. Board discussion.
Mr. Chelotti recommended that the league come back next month to site plan and present a more specific application with the details of the light spillage and the properties involved. He stated the outside agency approvals can be handled afterwards.
Mr. Leiberman is generally mindful of the concept ional application. He further remarked about the light and sound.
Mr. Harrison commented about the application and the impact. Ms. Kitchen made a motion to approve the conceptional application. Mr. Rauschenberger seconded the motion. VOTE unanimously – APPROVED/concept ional.
COMMITTEE & SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS:
Mr. Lieberman provided the board with an update on the Downtown Visioning Plan. Mr. Lieberman spoke of a meeting with the planner from the PATCO site. He stated a lot of technical work has already been done. Mr. Lieberman also spoke of planner mapping the entire downtown area.
Mr. Harrison advised the board New Jersey Future is holding a Smart Growth Redevelopment Forum in Trenton on Wednesday, March 22, 2006. Mr. Johnson will be attending if any other board members would like to attend they are to contact Andy Johnson via email. Mr. Harrison also advised the board of upcoming three days course. Bill Tourtellotte, Haddonfield Parks Conservatory would like to email the board members with their newsletters. If members do not desire to receive them, they are to let Mr. Johnson know. Mr. Harrison advised the board that there will be a review of big buildings at 8:00 AM on February 17; this is in response to Kings Court. Mr. Schwab advised the board the Monday was the deadline for filing a formal objection to the Third Round affordable Housing Plan. The borough is waiting for the objection. Mr. Schwab discussed the plan. Mr. Schwab advised the board that the commissioners will be introducing the Development Fee Ordinance, The Fair Share Marketing Ordinance, and 20% set aside in Growth Share Ordinance at the meeting on February 14th. Board discussion.
Mr. Leiberman stated that the planners for the Downtown Visioning Plan have plans on updating the parking studies.
Mr. Harrison comments.
Meeting Adjourned
Transcribed and Typed by:
Anne C. Frey,
Recording Secretary
Approved by:
Steven P. Walko
Community Dev. Officer
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